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May 19 News: NOAA warns of rapid, 'unprecedented' ocean changes; Your lawn's planetary impact; Turning waste heat to electricity

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A combination of climate change, overfishing, pollution and other threats is changing the world’s oceans at an “unprecedented” rate, the head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said yesterday.

“For the oceans as well as the rest of the planet, the rates and scales and kinds of changes that are under way now are absolutely unprecedented,” NOAA chief Jane Lubchenco said in remarks at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. “And they are happening even faster than our ability to measure or track some of them, much less have institutions that are responding in a fashion that is appropriate.”

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Peter J. Bonacich

Great seed, CB!

  • 7 votes
Reply#1 - Thu May 19, 2011 2:43 PM EDT
Colorado Bob

Sibi Pakistan -

Temperature
120 °F . Heat Index: 125 °F.

http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/41697.html

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:10 PM EDT
Colorado Bob

99F degrees at midnight in Southern Pakistan right now.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:11 PM EDT
Colorado Bob

I have a question about this :

Sibi Pakistan -

Temperature
120 °F . Heat Index: 125 °F.

————
Namely how much wet bulb temperature humans can stand, after weeks of this kind of heat. It's 99F degrees at midnight. The seven day forecast calls for 117F next Tuesday.

  • 6 votes
Reply#4 - Thu May 19, 2011 4:16 PM EDT
Physicist-retired

CO Bob,

how much wet bulb temperature humans can stand

This is a little outside my area, but a person is at risk when their internal temperature exceeds 105F. High humidity will (of course) reduce cooling through evaporation, and the young, old, and weakened are at heightened risk.

Many thousands of people died in the recent European heat wave from temperatures and humidity levels much lower than we are seeing in Sibi.

BTW, I wonder if you have seen this, this, or this.

  • 7 votes
#4.1 - Thu May 19, 2011 5:08 PM EDT
Colorado Bob

PR -
Saw those , of the 3, the third one, I fine interesting.

I have always thought that there's a lot more heat in the sea water than we figured.

  • 4 votes
#4.2 - Thu May 19, 2011 5:36 PM EDT
Peter J. Bonacich

CB,

I haven't looked at the sites suggested by my friend Phy. Ret. but I will. Meantime, as regards "heat" in the sea, "heat" is energy, and there is enough potential energy in a cup of seawater to supply "energy" for human purposes for a long time. This is a fundamental aspect of the Einstein's now famous, but not widely understood equation. Simply stated the amount of energy (potentially) in any amount of "mass" is equal to the mass X the speed of light. If we could "extract that potential energy without the risk associated with our current nuclear extraction processes, we would have made quite a discovery.

  • 3 votes
#4.3 - Thu May 19, 2011 6:36 PM EDT
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Peter J. Bonacich

Great question, C B, current research leads us to believe that the advent of "Global Climate Change" can in fact be a
stimulus for a evaluational "mutation in the species: "Homo-sapiens As long as there is some ability to "shade" living areas, and access to water, as well as the ability to "ventilate" humans can and will "survive" a fairly significant increase in GMT (Global Mean Temperatures) The major factors would be: rate of Temp increase. availability of fresh water, access to appropriate shelter, and other things having to do with the ability to "counteract" at least on the short term the demands that the increase in temp. places on the humane physiology. This is why many people in a wide verity of scientific fields think that major wars to be fought in the very near future will center on access to water, rather that oil, gold, or other things we think are "valuable" today. If humanity can survive long enough, the exposure to ever increasing temps. will "force" genetic changes in our biological makeup that allows us to survive. But, we have an example in what happens to "people" in the disappearance of the "Anasazi People" who seem to have died off almost completely, and possibly due to an inability to quickly deal with a cataclysmic "drying" of their environment.

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Thu May 19, 2011 5:25 PM EDT
bore-head007

Interesting seed Colorado Bob.

Its good to notice that people are aware of ocean issues, and how we as humans effect the ocean with pollution and water runoff. The watershed is where much sea life life really begins, and Chemlawn ain't helping out too much.

Dr. Lubchenco does carry the corporate ENGO message of multi use of the oceans, and truth is Obamas Ocean Policy is bought and paid for by some mighty big corporations that really do not have the environment at the forefront of interest.

Lubchenco, before becoming NOAAs administrator, was an EDF environmentalist. I question DR Lubchencos motives.

EDF is supportive of biosolid application in the production of food crops, and hydrofracking for gas development. Not exactly earth friendly, depending on what you read. Her performance in the Gulf was less than stellar, favoring sweeping many issues under the surface, as it were.

I have some opinions of multi use of the oceans that do not include industrialization favored by many of the ENGO supporting corporate contributors.

As far as overfishing goes, that is no longer a US issue as overfishing officially ended this year, according to a NOAA press release.

Not quite sure when the article was written but yesterday, Lubchenco was in Gloucester with Gary Lock, apologising to fishermen and promising to get people back to harvesting our resource, and attempting to do a lot of damage control caused by the NMFS, exposed in an Inspector General investigation.

http://www.fishtruth.net/

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Thu May 19, 2011 8:43 PM EDT
Fletch-495299

Good Seed CB, but don't believe everything NOAA trys to sell you. Some things like pollution and climate change are (at least to me) undeniable, but what NOAA has done to the American Fishing industry is criminal.

If you have the time go to Bore Heads column and read his seeds, the information is extensive.

  • 3 votes
#6.1 - Fri May 20, 2011 12:42 AM EDT
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Tim S.-560036

Good seed Colorado.

It looks like the human species will evolve soon. That or die out from its destruction of its environment. The behavior of the past when we were relatively isolated pockets of population are over. There is no place to migrate to that is not already occupied. And not by cultures that are technologically less advanced. A population crash to about a billion people worldwide is not unlikely.

  • 5 votes
Reply#7 - Thu May 19, 2011 10:53 PM EDT
Abby.

Hi guys,
I thought you'd like this link about Sir Walter lawns, & enviro impact.The video is quite interesting.
:)

http://www.loveyourlawn.com.au/lawn-care-videos/environmental-issues-videos/60-environmental-benefits-of-a-healthy-sir-walter-lawn

  • 2 votes
Reply#8 - Fri May 20, 2011 12:22 AM EDT
Carolyn-3170946

Excellent article. The cantilevers sound promising. I hope we pursue that idea.

I have a lot of breathing problems and just speaking for myself, it is so much easier to breathe cold air than hot humid air. I have more energy in winter although I get tired of snow sometimes.

Our culture isn't being very kind to Mother Earth. A while back, I read an article on the trees being salvaged at the bottom of Lake Michigan with huge growth rings. These trees are leftovers from deforestation a hundred years or so ago.

I really like the idea of mowing the yard less. A friend of mine built a house out in the forest. The builders wanted to cut down all the trees surrounding the home. She said: "No Way". She didn't have to mow very often because the trees shaded the ground and kept the grass from growing so fast and so tall. The trees provided a wind barrier during storms, home for little critters, and were beautiful to boot.

  • 5 votes
Reply#9 - Fri May 20, 2011 2:46 PM EDT
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