Newsvine
  • Welcome
  • Help
  • Report Bug
  • Conversation Tracker
  • Your Column
  • Replies
  • Friends
Type Comments Since You Last CheckedArticle Source Last Checked Stop Tracking All Clear Tracking All
advertisement
Log In | Register
Close the Login Panel
Existing users log in below. New users please register for a free account.

New Users:

Existing Users:

E-Mail:
Password:
Forgot Password?
Please enter the e-mail address or domain name you registered with:
E-Mail/Domain:
Back to Login
Log Out
  • Top News
  • Local News
  • World
  • U.S.
  • Sports
  • Politics
  • Tech
  • Entertainment
  • Science
  • Business
  • Health
  • Odd News
  • More
    • Arts
    • Education
    • Environment
    • Fashion
    • History
    • Home & Garden
    • Not News
    • Religion
    • Travel
Visit Colorado Bob's column >>

COLORADO BOB

Home Page
Student of the Natural Sciences and Human Folly
Articles Posted: 97  Links Seeded: 2414
Member Since: 1/2007  Last Seen: 1/29/2012

What is Newsvine?

Updated continuously by citizens like you, Newsvine is an instant reflection of what the world is talking about at any given moment.

Get a Free Account
Help
Fun Stuff
  • Your Clippings
  • Leaderboard
  • E-Mail Alerts
  • Top of the Vine
  • Newsvine Live
  • Newsvine Archives
  • The Greenhouse
  • Recommended Articles
  • Wall of Vineness
Put a Seed Newsvine link on your own site

The Words of Fire Fighters

Sun Aug 5, 2007 6:18 AM EDT
politics, climate-change, fires
By Colorado Bob

Screen Shot from the Interagency Fire Center :
Fire Information - National Fire News

advertisement

One thing that has emerged from this fire season are the words of the people who have been fighting them, and the people who have been caught by them. Consider these accounts :

From Montana Saturday :

The Jocko Lakes Fire west of Seeley Lake blew up Saturday afternoon, displaying "tremendous fire activity," fire information officer Pat Cross said, "activity firefighters haven't seen before in this part of the world."

From Utah in July :

Royce Stevens, a 32-year-old wildland firefighter from Holden, on Sunday called the Milford Flat blaze "pretty amazing." "It's fire behavior like I haven't seen before,"

From a fire fighter at the South Lake Tahoe fire in June :

"We don't have a fire season in California any more, we burn year around now."

From the relative of one of three people killed at the North Neola Fire in Utah at the end of June :

It's hard to put into words," he said after touring his father's property. "It was a phenomenon, a combination of circumstances that created a cyclone that came down on them, but it was a cyclone of fire."

From HOT SPRINGS South Dakota at the beginning of July:

"This thing blew up because of extreme hot temperatures and the winds," said Joe Lowe, South Dakota wildland fire coordinator. "It came out of the canyon with a vengeance."

From a fire near Inyo, California :

In his 20 years working in the Inyo National Forest, Louth said he has never seen such dry conditions. Before the fire started Friday, he said he was walking outside and "the pine needles were crunching under me rather than bending and giving way to my weight."

Nancy Upham Inyo National Forest :

"Fire fighters are seeing fire behavior they have never seen before - things are just igniting with a single spark"

Last year in Texas :

"We were burning from border to border for over 400 days," said Les Rogers, Texas Forest Service assistant chief regional fire coordinator for the Abilene area.


National Forests Short Staffed for Fires
With Active Wildfire Fire Season Under Way, U.S. Forest Service Thin on Senior Staff

  • Enjoy this article? Help vote it up the 'Vine.

Back To Top | Front Page

Published to:

  • Colorado Bob's Column, All of Newsvine
  • Groups: Climate Change, Left of Center
  • Regions: none
  • Public Discussion (8)
Colorado Bob

Extreme fire behavior is a product of Climate Change. Bush short staffs the fire fighters in the National Forest Service.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Aug 5, 2007 6:21 AM EDT
Colorado Bob

The governor of Montana yesterday :

The governor told them to "open the gates, turn the livestock loose, take your pets, shut off the propane at the tank, shut off the electricity and get out."

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Sun Aug 5, 2007 10:53 AM EDT
Colorado Bob

Now Boys,

This guy has the smartest Border Collie in government today. And he's a Democrat.

But as Montana burns now like Georgia, Texas & Oklahoma-last year, Utah last month, remember this : George Bush short staffed during the worst two fire seasons in our history. But it looks like red voters are burning a little faster that blue voters. Nobody's writing about it, but those people up in the Interagency Fire Center are running hard, and the "old fire season" is just started. Those folks in Boise, their command down to tough-as-nails-fire-eaters running these fire crews they've been balls to the walls since late May. I'd like to stick E. Sorbet' in a pair of "White's Smoke Jumpers" and run her ass out on to the fire-line up Montana, this afternoon. I haven't looked at the wind at Missoula, but it's most likely blowing. She can run with the hot shot crews, I know, I'll get her a job swampin' on a D-9 Cat. She can get her lesson in diesel combustion.

And stand in front of these fires and read wing-o-sphere op-eds at the wall of flames.

That's it, the deniers can all read op-eds from the wing-o-sphere at these fires. The deniers can all drive to these fires and read noise from the "Heartland Inst.". And tell these fires that they aren't suppose to be happening. I want these fire fighters to take all these deniers to have a drink say at the Cowboy Bar in Jackson Hole.

I know, the "Whirl-Inn" at Evanston, Wyo. Tougher cops in Evanston.

Oil town, "Gate Way to the Overthrust Belt". Big drill country boys and girls. Going 24,000 ft for 30 years here. American drilling know how for very deep and hostile environments was perfected here. These gas wells were hot and very acidic. With means H2S ..... hydrogen sulphide. At 17,000 ft. the first drill strings were being eaten up. They built a sulphur loading terminal at Evanston, and haul it way by the big train loads. I ran seismic lines through some of the these holes these things were sittin' on. Best one was Brinkerhoff_Signal's "Big Red #40". This hole had a 35 ft B.O.P. stack on it. They were going to 27,000 in the fall of 1979 on the Anschutz Ranch in Wyoming. 2 year drilling program. I came out of the scrub oak on to their pad with a Motorola radio. This pad was 200 yds across. The drillin' floor is 40 ft. the air. They're "turning right" makin' hole so they ain't that busy. This whole rail of guys say's "What the hell are you guys doing ?" (We've been flying all over the ranch for weeks, they'd seen our helicopters.) And I yelled back, "I'm going to catch my drill", finished the pad and popped back into the scrub oak. I had a pilot from Rocky Mountain Helicopters fly the 4 pieces of my little tinker toy drill by their faces . That was a very cool day, on a very cool contract. The digging was good, and I was makin' hole with a 25 cent footage bonus. I gave my helper 10 cents, and we were makin' dirt fly. We were finishing a 30 ft. hole loaded, and graveled full every 40 mins. all day long sun up to sunset. 9 or 10 holes. My helper fell asleep in the helicopter, on the way home. Bad move ...... The pilot will slowly gain altitude, and at 10.000 ft. over some deep ass canyon he'll "Cut the Collective" and that ship will fall on of the sky. And everybody sails pass zero G real fast, and pretty soon the seatbelt is all that's keeping everybody off the cabin roof.

Wakes that helper right - up.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Sun Aug 5, 2007 5:42 PM EDT
Reply
cirrus-pilotDeleted
Colorado Bob

More fire news on the wire tonight :
Croatia ....
Big blaze hits Dubrovnik

Itlay ......
Fires flare again in Italy's south

Russia ......

Catastrophic forest fire outbreaks in Siberia are happening more frequently because of climate change, new research suggests.

In Central Siberia alone, fires have destroyed 38 000 km2 in the extreme fire year of 2003. In that year the smoke plumes were so huge that they caused air pollution as far as in the United States.

That's 14,672 square miles of Siberia.

  • 2 votes
Reply#4 - Sun Aug 5, 2007 9:11 PM EDT
Colorado Bob

More words from South Africa 8/11/2007 :

"These are the worst fires in the history of our country," the statement said.

28 dead, hundreds homeless in S.Africa inferno

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Sat Aug 11, 2007 9:43 PM EDT
Colorado Bob

New quote :

"The fuel conditions are extreme. The chaparral we're working with is practically explosive," said incident commander Mike Dietrich of the U.S. Forest Service.

Calf. Fire fighter fighting near Santa Barbara 8/20/07.

    Reply#6 - Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:51 PM EDT
    Colorado Bob

    From the fires in Greece :

    "We are dealing with a national catastrophe, without precedent," said firefighters' spokesman Nikolaos Diamantis

      Reply#7 - Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:41 PM EDT
      Leave a Comment:
      You're in Easy Mode. If you prefer, you can use XHTML Mode instead.
      You're in XHTML Mode. If you prefer, you can use Easy Mode instead.
      (XHTML tags allowed - a,b,blockquote,br,code,dd,dl,dt,del,em,h2,h3,h4,i,ins,li,ol,p,pre,q,strong,ul)
      Newsvine Privacy Statement
      As a new user, you may notice a few temporary content restrictions. Click here for more info.
      FUN STUFF:
      • Leaderboard |
      • E-Mail Alerts |
      • Top of the Vine |
      • Newsvine Live |
      • Newsvine Archives |
      • The Greenhouse |
      COMPANY STUFF:
      • Code of Honor |
      • Company Info |
      • Contact Us |
      • Jobs |
      • User Agreement |
      • Privacy Policy |
      • About our ads
      LEGAL STUFF:
      • © 2005-2012 Newsvine, Inc. |
      • Newsvine® is a registered trademark of Newsvine, Inc. |
      • Newsvine is a property of msnbc.com