Sex and Republicans .... "Let's review, shall we "

Jay -- That video made me sick. Like those jerks on the video are going to say they can't get their wives to... well you know.

Bob -- Well, this was quite humorous, but don't you think this could possibly add to the division between the parties. I fully believe we need to hold them accountable for what they say and do, I just don't know if this will perpetuate the problem. Well, who knows, but I did laugh though.

I'm wondering though, if the criticism continues, does the Left run the risk becoming hypocrites themselves? Are you calling them out on the hypocrisy or the lack of Dobbs-style "family values?"

Good point. If they want to raise an issue based on family values though, it's only fair to point out their own failure to meet the standard they campaign on.

But in the end they're just people, on both sides. Lying, scumbag, abhorrent, people. Seemingly without exception.

Isn't politics fun?

For more about that Boystown scandal, as well as this latest incident, try this page, which includes some rather interesting videos.

And then there's Bob Dole, who kept his girfriend on the Congressional payroll.

The greater irony is that we try to hold one party higher on matters of integrity....

I gotta disagree with ya there Top. It's the Republican party and it's politicians that put themselves on that pedestal of higher integrity... all in the name of securing the Christian Right vote. With mantras like "the party of family values"... and "the party of Christian values"... For too many years now the Christian right has derided liberals as godless heathens and Republican politicians were all too willing to play up to that all in the name getting their votes. The sad truth is they never were more "moral" than the godless heathens they ran against, the just claimed they were to get elected. That they put themselves on that pedestal and still couldn't keep their zippers closed garners no sympathy from me. If you don't want to get knocked off the moral "high ground" don't try and claim it was your in the first place....

The thieves and liars want you to think that there is no alternative to thieves and liars in office, so they tell you that every politician is a thief or a liar, so you re-elect the thieves and liars, and then complain that all politicians are thieves and liars.

The sad truth is they never were more "moral" than the godless heathens they ran against, the just claimed they were to get elected.

I find both sad truths reprehensible. The dangers in celebrating the demise of the deceitfully "moral" leaders, is when we use their examples for an excuse to lower our political standards, or attempt to claim the moral high ground by listing everyone elses failures.

The world is always in need of better leaders.

If pedophilia, gay male prostitution, and hypocrisy are lifestyles, you may have a valid point... however, I don't think average people consider those things to be lifestyles.

Their party may not be everything politicians stand for, but it is a big part of it.

When Republicans go bad, they are living up to the values of their party. When Democrats go bad, they are letting them down.

As long as there are wives, there will be prostitutes. Including gay ones.

however I feel that talking about it here on Newsvine, while it does SOME good, does not get the Christian Right to wake up and say "heeeey, we've been bamboozled!"

Take heart. Look at the Nov. 06 elections. They're waking up in droves. They're not stupid and they can clearly see when they've been had. The tide is already turning....

True, lets hope it continues to turn. I don't mind if the Christian Right remains "right minded" (however I'd prefer that slant to be shifted somewhat), I just don't want them voting in venomous vipers who poison society for all of us.

Yes, he votes Republican, but he hasn't been "bamboozled". He, and people like him, vote Republican not because they think that Republicans are inherently better people, but because they legitimately believe that morality and family values are necessary elements for the continued success and prosperity of America.

If he thinks that the Republican party is promoting morality and family values, then he's been bamboozled. If he thinks the Democratic party is immoral and against family values, he's been bamboozled. If he thinks the Republican Party is able to promote the success and prosperity of America, he's been bamboozled. If he thinks the Democratic Party can't promote the success and prosperity of America, he's been bamboozled.

America is one of the most prosperous countries in the world, and for the majority of the last half century, the Democrats have been the dominant party. The rise to power of the Republicans has coincided with a fall in American prosperity, power, and prestige. Surely that's a coincidence.

We've seen the Republicans commitment to morality and family fvalues over the last decade. A lot of Christians are starting to pay attention to how they have been used and abused. I hope your father is paying attention, too.

Jimmy, thanks for that comment. You've expressed the way I feel about the hypocrisy we've seen in this administration in a very effective way. I'm tired of these Republican hypocrites speaking about family values when it suits their purposes, but bringing this country down with their actions, here and abroad.

Captian Carrot,

Fair enough and I apologize for my hasty generalization. I grew up in a southern baptist environment and what I saw with pastors is that they were concerned about how big their SUV was, how many people were at Sunday Morning Worship service and sometimes the Lottie Moon offering (and don't get my started on missionaries and their materialism).

I was around conservative right wing pastors for a greater portion of my life and it seemed that materialism ruled what they did with their money. I heard, MANY TIMES, pastor saying "well if those lousy bumbs would get a job and quit sucking off my money through welfare then God would help them." How horrible!? Ever been around bumbs and people dependent on welfare....they are so confused and inundated in ignorance they know no better.

I'm not saying I'm for people staying on welfare but I am for Christians (and other people compassionate about social welfare) educated the poor and homeless and helping them get a start on a new life.

That said, these are pastors I've been exposed to in the Southeast of America and what I've seen on TV. I could be (and probably am) sadly mistaken by pastors who are Conservative and Right Wing and care about the social gospel. But from what I've seen, it's not been so.

Thanks for letting me know there are some decent pastors out there because I'd given up hope.

Normally I'd avoid putting words in your moth, but your disagreement with "nearly the totality" of the comment forces me to make the conclusion that you would feel comfortable saying "Democrats are immoral and against family values, and are incapable of promoting the success and prosperity of America."

Considering that half the country votes Democrat (a surprising number even manage to have families and be successful), such an intolerant attitude *is* hateful and negative, not to mention wrong.

Fortunately, I don't think most on the religious right are quite as whacked out.

I see you prefer being bamboozled, Captain.